lizzie_and_ari: (dylan)
lizzie_and_ari ([personal profile] lizzie_and_ari) wrote2009-01-07 09:14 pm

Ok so I'm going to say it

I find The Atheist Bus Campaign really offensive.

Oh yeah she did.

Lxxx
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[personal profile] andrewducker 2009-01-09 04:01 pm (UTC)(link)
So you believe that holding religious beliefs is a substandard viewpoint but don't see how anyone would find that patronising?
I don't look down on the people who hold views that aren't easily backed up. I reserve the right to hold those views to be substandard. I can attack a viewpoint and not the person.

You believe that 'a better understanding' is more likely to be an atheist viewpoint?
If I didn't, why on earth would I have that viewpoint?

Were someone to believe the exact same thing but that the better understanding were a religious viewpoint, they would be considered evangelical.
Nope - evangelising is "to spread the word", not to believe that ones viewpoint is correct. And of course religious people believe that their viewpoint is more correct than mine - otherwise they'd hold my viewpoint and not theirs!

Why would I find it offensive that you disagree with the slogan? I'm not offended by it - I've just checked a dictionary to make sure I have the right definition "the state of being insulted or morally outraged" - I'm not insulted or morally outraged by people believing things different to myself, or stating those opinions clearly.

[identity profile] lizzie-and-ari.livejournal.com 2009-01-09 04:15 pm (UTC)(link)
Why would I find it offensive that you disagree with the slogan?

I don't know either. I've stated my viewpoint several times. I am aware that people disagree with me. I was aware of this before I even posted. I have given further explanation where people have asked for it. You still seem to be arguing a point and I'm not sure what point you are arguing - logically I figured either you were upset/offended by my viewpoint and trying to change my mind, or you don't understand it.
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[personal profile] andrewducker 2009-01-09 04:21 pm (UTC)(link)
I started off not understanding why people having a different opinion and stating it in a public place offended you.

I then disagreed that the advert was fundamentalist atheism, when it seemed like middle-of-the-road agnosticism to me.

After that we tangentised in 15 different directions.
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[personal profile] andrewducker 2009-01-09 04:47 pm (UTC)(link)
Oh - and I started off because I was interested in your reasons, and wanted to see why you believed the things you did.

When I see people I know who have radically different opinions to me on things I tend to talk to them about it, because I want to understand them better.