It may be slightly better phrased That's my point!!! It's BADLY PHRASED. I think I might just copy and paste this: I do not disagree with the point behind the campaign. I disagree with the slogan used.
Can you show me where you were? The 'I'm afraid I'm with them' you posted was in response to my mentioning the presumption that there is something substandard about a differing viewpoint. When you said you were with them I understood this to mean you were with them in believing that my viewpoint is substandard. (not my viewpoint of whether or not I believe in God/s but my viewpoint that I find the slogan offensive) I, also, am 'with them' in getting a bus campaign if that's what they really want to do. I do not disagree with the point behind the campaign. I disagree with the slogan used.
Nope - it's all there - I agree that every argument I've ever seen for a religious point of view has been substandard. I don't see how that's an incomplete sentence. There was an 'as' at the beginning of that sentence: And as I strongly agree.... I thought it was a precursor to a further point. Looks like it was just a misplaced 'as'.
I don't care about faith. By faith in this sense I mean belief, I mean your view of the world.
So you believe that holding religious beliefs is a substandard viewpoint but don't see how anyone would find that patronising?
I believe that people talking about the world and encouraging each other to attempt to reach better understandings of it You believe that 'a better understanding' is more likely to be an atheist viewpoint? I respect your right to believe that. Were someone to believe the exact same thing but that the better understanding were a religious viewpoint, they would be considered evangelical.
Anyway, as I've said, I don't think the point of the campaign is to do this. I think it's to encourage discussion and highlight that some people are atheist and that's fine. I do not disagree with the point behind the campaign. I disagree with the slogan used.
DO you find it offensive that I disagree with the slogan, or do you genuinely not see why anyone could be offended by it? (http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/faith)
So you believe that holding religious beliefs is a substandard viewpoint but don't see how anyone would find that patronising? I don't look down on the people who hold views that aren't easily backed up. I reserve the right to hold those views to be substandard. I can attack a viewpoint and not the person.
You believe that 'a better understanding' is more likely to be an atheist viewpoint? If I didn't, why on earth would I have that viewpoint?
Were someone to believe the exact same thing but that the better understanding were a religious viewpoint, they would be considered evangelical. Nope - evangelising is "to spread the word", not to believe that ones viewpoint is correct. And of course religious people believe that their viewpoint is more correct than mine - otherwise they'd hold my viewpoint and not theirs!
Why would I find it offensive that you disagree with the slogan? I'm not offended by it - I've just checked a dictionary to make sure I have the right definition "the state of being insulted or morally outraged" - I'm not insulted or morally outraged by people believing things different to myself, or stating those opinions clearly.
Why would I find it offensive that you disagree with the slogan?
I don't know either. I've stated my viewpoint several times. I am aware that people disagree with me. I was aware of this before I even posted. I have given further explanation where people have asked for it. You still seem to be arguing a point and I'm not sure what point you are arguing - logically I figured either you were upset/offended by my viewpoint and trying to change my mind, or you don't understand it.
Oh - and I started off because I was interested in your reasons, and wanted to see why you believed the things you did.
When I see people I know who have radically different opinions to me on things I tend to talk to them about it, because I want to understand them better.
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Date: 2009-01-09 03:47 pm (UTC)That's my point!!! It's BADLY PHRASED. I think I might just copy and paste this:
I do not disagree with the point behind the campaign. I disagree with the slogan used.
Can you show me where you were?
The 'I'm afraid I'm with them' you posted was in response to my mentioning the presumption that there is something substandard about a differing viewpoint. When you said you were with them I understood this to mean you were with them in believing that my viewpoint is substandard. (not my viewpoint of whether or not I believe in God/s but my viewpoint that I find the slogan offensive) I, also, am 'with them' in getting a bus campaign if that's what they really want to do.
I do not disagree with the point behind the campaign. I disagree with the slogan used.
Nope - it's all there - I agree that every argument I've ever seen for a religious point of view has been substandard. I don't see how that's an incomplete sentence.
There was an 'as' at the beginning of that sentence: And as I strongly agree.... I thought it was a precursor to a further point. Looks like it was just a misplaced 'as'.
I don't care about faith.
By faith in this sense I mean belief, I mean your view of the world.
So you believe that holding religious beliefs is a substandard viewpoint but don't see how anyone would find that patronising?
I believe that people talking about the world and encouraging each other to attempt to reach better understandings of it
You believe that 'a better understanding' is more likely to be an atheist viewpoint? I respect your right to believe that. Were someone to believe the exact same thing but that the better understanding were a religious viewpoint, they would be considered evangelical.
Anyway, as I've said, I don't think the point of the campaign is to do this. I think it's to encourage discussion and highlight that some people are atheist and that's fine.
I do not disagree with the point behind the campaign. I disagree with the slogan used.
DO you find it offensive that I disagree with the slogan, or do you genuinely not see why anyone could be offended by it?
(http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/faith)
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Date: 2009-01-09 03:52 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2009-01-09 04:01 pm (UTC)I don't look down on the people who hold views that aren't easily backed up. I reserve the right to hold those views to be substandard. I can attack a viewpoint and not the person.
You believe that 'a better understanding' is more likely to be an atheist viewpoint?
If I didn't, why on earth would I have that viewpoint?
Were someone to believe the exact same thing but that the better understanding were a religious viewpoint, they would be considered evangelical.
Nope - evangelising is "to spread the word", not to believe that ones viewpoint is correct. And of course religious people believe that their viewpoint is more correct than mine - otherwise they'd hold my viewpoint and not theirs!
Why would I find it offensive that you disagree with the slogan? I'm not offended by it - I've just checked a dictionary to make sure I have the right definition "the state of being insulted or morally outraged" - I'm not insulted or morally outraged by people believing things different to myself, or stating those opinions clearly.
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Date: 2009-01-09 04:15 pm (UTC)I don't know either. I've stated my viewpoint several times. I am aware that people disagree with me. I was aware of this before I even posted. I have given further explanation where people have asked for it. You still seem to be arguing a point and I'm not sure what point you are arguing - logically I figured either you were upset/offended by my viewpoint and trying to change my mind, or you don't understand it.
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Date: 2009-01-09 04:21 pm (UTC)I then disagreed that the advert was fundamentalist atheism, when it seemed like middle-of-the-road agnosticism to me.
After that we tangentised in 15 different directions.
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Date: 2009-01-09 04:47 pm (UTC)When I see people I know who have radically different opinions to me on things I tend to talk to them about it, because I want to understand them better.